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how many big blinds do you guys start with?

I have a T10,000 set up - and looking for blind structures for a 3-4 hour tournament. 10 players. possible rebuys for the first hour. most likely 3-4 rebuys.


i see a lot of structures starting at 25-50 (200 big blinds)

and also some that start with 100-200 blinds (50 big blinds)

Another option is starting with 100-200 blinds and a T15,000 stack. ????


How many big blinds are recommended?
 
Shameless plug, but go to the link at the bottom of my signature. The MTTD has a 10,000 chip structure, that might work well for a single table
 
how many big blinds do you guys start with?

I have a T10,000 set up - and looking for blind structures for a 3-4 hour tournament. 10 players. possible rebuys for the first hour. most likely 3-4 rebuys.


i see a lot of structures starting at 25-50 (200 big blinds)

and also some that start with 100-200 blinds (50 big blinds)

Another option is starting with 100-200 blinds and a T15,000 stack. ????


How many big blinds are recommended?

If you run 20 minute levels, you can get a 4.5 - 5 hour tourney done with the following structure. Remove the 50-100 level for an even earlier finish.

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My group likes to start with 150-200 bb. I will use Blind Valet and enter chips denominations, starting stacks and time I want tournament to last. You can even enter the number of rebuys you think you will have and it will calculate it all out. You can also modify the blind increases.
 
I find that starting with 10,000 chips and blinds are 25/50, which are 200BBs. Technically its not that much of a "deep stack tournament", but generally close. Its a nice round number and everyone feels they start with a lot of chips too. @Trihonda 's link points to a good structure.
 
This. I use the same structure.

not bad - but seems like the T25 chips are kind of useless... you are using them for 2 levels - so to buy a set and have to buy T25's just to use them for 2 levels... seems like a waste - esp since you would need at least 125-150 chips for 10 people at those blinds.
 
not bad - but seems like the T25 chips are kind of useless... you are using them for 2 levels - so to buy a set and have to buy T25's just to use them for 2 levels... seems like a waste - esp since you would need at least 125-150 chips for 10 people at those blinds.

This is actually a good point. Any recommendations?
 
not bad - but seems like the T25 chips are kind of useless... you are using them for 2 levels - so to buy a set and have to buy T25's just to use them for 2 levels... seems like a waste - esp since you would need at least 125-150 chips for 10 people at those blinds.

Works the same way in casinos. Most T10k tournaments start at 25-50 and the 25s are pulled at the first break. It is what it is.

And if you look at it from a time perspective, it's not that bad. With 30 minute levels, the 25s are in play for 2 hours.
 
Works the same way in casinos. Most T10k tournaments start at 25-50 and the 25s are pulled at the first break. It is what it is.

And if you look at it from a time perspective, it's not that bad. With 30 minute levels, the 25s are in play for 2 hours.

Yeah but given that we can build our home tourneys anyway we want, if there was a way to use less chips, it would be a good thing. The other thing I wish I could change is having $1k chips on the table when the BB is $50. I really wish there was a better way to color up more often and use smaller denoms as they are needed.
 
Yeah but given that we can build our home tourneys anyway we want, if there was a way to use less chips, it would be a good thing. The other thing I wish I could change is having $1k chips on the table when the BB is $50. I really wish there was a better way to color up more often and use smaller denoms as they are needed.

Color up more often? Sounds annoying to stop play just to change out chips more frequently.

And if you don't like investing in 25s, just change your starting stack to 8,8,6,6. Each player will have less chips to start, and may need to make more change for the first few levels, but you won't have to buy as many t25s form your set.
 
Yeah but given that we can build our home tourneys anyway we want, if there was a way to use less chips, it would be a good thing.
Careful..... that kind of talk around here could get you banned, or worse. :confused:;)

I have a T10,000 set up - and looking for blind structures for a 3-4 hour tournament. 10 players. possible rebuys for the first hour. most likely 3-4 rebuys.

How many big blinds are recommended?
You can probably search and find a single-table T10K structure that I've already posted here on PCF that exactly meets your listed requirements. The structure posted above by @justsomedude will fit your time needs exactly if used with 15-minute blind levels, although it could be improved by the addition of a 25/75 level after L1 (improving consistency by avoiding an unnecessary 100% blind increase).

No access to my laptop at the moment, but I can offer a tailored solution when I get home on Sun or Mon if needed.

Most of our re-buy events are 100-150bb, unless it is a low-cost multiple-rebuy small-stack type of tournament (which can also be entertaining and fun to play, usually with 50-75bb).

With no re-buys, I prefer to start with at least 200-250bb, and 300bb is even better. Imo, larger entry fees should be accompanied by deeper starting stacks -- the amount of time required to play and win/cash in an event should be appropriately rewarded/compensated (for example, it's kinda nuts to play a 6-hour tournament for a 1-in-8 chance to win 20 bucks).
 
The other thing I wish I could change is having $1k chips on the table when the BB is $50.
Not sure what level of poker your group is playing, but it would be pretty short-sighted to not have high denomination chips available when standard poker play/strategy would indicate that they are likely be used.

For example, with 25/50 blinds and a few limpers, an initial raise is likely to be in the 200-300 range. Just a single caller puts the pot at 700+ and that's with no pre-flop reraise. A 2/3-pot bet and call on the flop makes the pot size roughly 1500 and almost guarantees that T1000 chips will be needed and used for the bets on the turn and river. Not having larger denominations in play would be a huge error in judgement.
 
Not sure what level of poker your group is playing, but it would be pretty short-sighted to not have high denomination chips available when standard poker play/strategy would indicate that they are likely be used.

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Not having larger denominations in play would be a huge error in judgement.

Aside from being an error in judgement, there are practical considerations at hand here... think about it: how else would you start such a T10k tournament without 1k or 5k chips? Give each player 12x 25s. 12x 100s, and 17x 500s? That's a starting stack of 41 chips, which is just silly; given that all of them will be colored up after a couple hours of play. Yes, stacks and stacks of chips look great on TV... but it's annoying AF in real life. Seriously... no one wants to bet 1,700 with 17 chips. Talk about a nightmare.

Furthermore, common starting stacks have a purpose beyond just minimizing investment in a chip set - they maximize efficiency. Most starting stacks are well thought out with respect to future chip exchanges / color-ups, to make the tournament progress more efficiently for the tourney director and his/her support staff. By putting higher denoms out at the start, there is less work for all involved later on as color ups occur, lower denoms are removed, and higher denoms are added to the table. And, as already stated, it just makes sense from a game-play perspective.

So, in short... yes, the 25s are not used very long in a T10k tournament. That doesn't mean they are "useless," as they are very much necessary to have smooth blind progressions. And, that's just the reality of T10k tournaments.
 
I've tried several structures over the years. Different players prefer different things. Right now we use 500 BB -- 25K starting stack, 25/50 starting blinds. I could think of structures I personally like better, but I have a mix of players who want fewer and more starting chips, longer and shorter blinds (20 min currently), longer and shorter tournaments (plan for 30 to end in the 4:00 to 4:20 time). I've tried 25K stacks in 25 chips, but right now am using 49 (16 ea of 25/100). Change rarely has to be made, at least at the low ends. Players seem to prefer more starting chips (as in # of chips) to fewer.

I don't use Blind Valet or anything like that. I figure out how many players max, and how long I want the tournament to go. Of course, you can't ignore your players on those issues or they won't come. Then I look at the projected end time. There are 2 formulas I use (A = Ante; # = # of players; $ = starting stack) below.

A+SB+BB=#x$x.05
BB=#*$*.05

This yields 2 different end times. I find though they are usually only 1 round apart, and those two times bracket the expected end between 75-90% of the time, depending on the group. What I shoot for is an anticipated 4:00 game. When my formula brackets 3:40 to 4:20, I have a structure that should work. It is extremely rare for the time to end more than 1 blind level off of that, meaning that 3:20 to 4:40 will cover 95% or so of the tournaments.

Another issue to decide is whether you like very gentle blind increases (I think BG likes that) or bigger blind increases. I find opinions on that vary widely. I used to do a 10K structure, starting 25/50, with 30 minute blinds, and the games lasted just as long.

One thing I love about home poker tournaments is you can create a structure that you like. There isn't really a right answer -- just an answer you prefer over other answers. It helps though if you have something to start with, and there are a lot of things out there that can help.

I've got a spreadsheet I'm happy to share with literally dozens of structures in it. You can vary the starting stacks, whether it's a (single) re-buy, the blind times, the SB, BB, and ante. It will tell you more about any tournament structure you want to input that you ever wanted to know. It allows you to play around with any tweaks you might consider to your structure. I use it for several things. I used it to help me figure out how many chips to buy. I use it to determine how much a tournament emphasizes skill (there is a science to that). PM me (anyone) with your email address and I'll send it.
 
Just curious - what's your SS breakdown to get 40 chips?

12/12/9/7

T2Ks instead of T1Ks, though... :p So T20K SS... I start at 50/100 here...

If I'm playing with with T1Ks, I start at 300BB 12/12/5/11 for T15K SS and start at 25/50 and double the blinds to 50/100 on the second level. I figure it's okay since I'm starting deeper...
 
12/12/9/7

T2Ks instead of T1Ks, though... :p So T20K SS... I start at 50/100 here...

If I'm playing with with T1Ks, I start at 300BB 12/12/5/11 for T15K SS and start at 25/50 and double the blinds to 50/100 on the second level. I figure it's okay since I'm starting deeper...

I dig it. Thanks for sharing, P!
 

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