PAHWM: $2/5/10 JTs (1 Viewer)

[Payback]

I had quite a few interesting hands from my session yesterday. This one happened around 8pm, about 5 hours into the session. Villian has been dragging pots for the last few hours and is up over 3k and started this game at 2:45. Hero had been playing since 3pm and had lost most key hands at this point. Hero initially sat to left of villian but moved seats two his left due to "bad luck" to the left of an uber fish. Villian knew why...

Only hand of note with this villian this session is where hero 3 bet from SB with AQ, villian commented about how that that was the 5th time hero had done this. Hero bet a QT4r board, C/C a J turn, and CF an 8 river for villian 3/4 pot bet (~$500).

The week prior we played about 7 hours of 5/T together and ended the session playing about 15 minutes of HU to finish the time rake out. Hero took a few hundo from villian during this time. Villian views Hero as aggressive and has seen him make big bets for value and as bluffs. Hero views villian as slightly sticky, will play any 2, and is overly aggressive with the nuts and huge draws. Passive otherwise.

There is a high hand promotion in play. Draw from a mystery envelope ranging from $50-$500 and a royal bonus of $600 for a diamond flush.

Hero: $1,200
Villian: $4,200
Most other stacks are around 1k-1.5k.

Hero looks down at
Villian posts straddle on the button, SB calls, BB folds, Hero ???

 

[DrStrange]

Bad position with a speculative hand. Hero wants a sky high SPR. If the table permits a limped pot, limp.

If the table doesn't let a limp go around, then a raise to $30 works. One extra benefit is the deception that comes from an UTG raise vs an observant villain. JTs is not part of Hero's prime raising range. Hero will be pressed to continue if he gets three bet. ( a 3-bet to $100 leads to an SPR of ~6. Not quite top pair territory, but it is getting close. )

If the table is aggressive enough, Hero might even find a cautious fold to be best.

Hero is going to whiff a lot of flops. Let's hope for a solid hit or complete miss.

The hard stuff comes post flop with this hand -=- DrStrange

 

[Rhodeman77]

I like a having J10 suited as a limp UTG. A lot of people limp AA as well looking to check raise them so people are cautious raising a tighter player that limps UTG.

If Hero’s image isn’t that of a tighter player then I would prefer to open to $30. For pretty much the same reason. UTG opens are usually pretty tight if it isn’t from a LAG so are less likely to be raised.

Either option I like.

 

[Moxie Mike]

I'm limping in this spot unless someone in late position is prone to punishing the limpers. In which case I'm going to raise or fold.

I don't like the potbuilder 3x raise in this spot. After one limper already, I think a raise that says to the table that they want to thin the field is more appropriate. So a raise to $45 seems like a better option. Unless 3x is your standard raise that you rarely deviate from.

Otherwise, what's the point of raising at all? A strong raise is much more likely to fold QJ, KJ, AJ and A10 - all of which are good outcomes. I just think a small raise won't discourage from someone in LP from taking a flyer with hand that has J10 dominated.

 

[Payback]

Bad position with a speculative hand. Hero wants a sky high SPR. If the table permits a limped pot, limp.

If the table doesn't let a limp go around, then a raise to $30 works. One extra benefit is the deception that comes from an UTG raise vs an observant villain. JTs is not part of Hero's prime raising range. Hero will be pressed to continue if he gets three bet. ( a 3-bet to $100 leads to an SPR of ~6. Not quite top pair territory, but it is getting close. )

If the table is aggressive enough, Hero might even find a cautious fold to be best.

Hero is going to whiff a lot of flops. Let's hope for a solid hit or complete miss.

The hard stuff comes post flop with this hand -=- DrStrange

Table had been very limpy. Hero was about the only one raising for the most part, minus villian who generally had not 3 bet villian. Hero probably accounted for 80% of the 3 bets. In addition Hero gets 3 bet he has no problem folding especially out of position given that a 3bet at this table probably means QQ+.

 

[Frogzilla]

JT is fun to play OOP, lots of check raise spots, I raise here, let’s make it the standard (30?)

 

[Perthmike]

I like a raise too, though it's about the bottom of my utg raising range.

 

[Payback]

Hero: $1,200
Villian: $4,200
Most other stacks are around 1k-1.5k.

Hero looks down at
Villian posts straddle on the button, SB calls, BB folds, Hero didn't come to fold 40% a royal and raises $45, uber calling station calls, Villian on button calls, SB calls.

Flop ($185) 4 handed
Check, Hero ???

 

[Frogzilla]

Pot is $185?

I bet $250. AK flops are really good overbets for PF aggressor. This hand has to bet

 

[Rhodeman77]

Hero is the preflop raiser, this hits that range, so let’s bet. If called or even raised we obviously have a lot of equity vs everything but a set and those are hard to have given the preflop action, other than 77. Two pairs aren’t many realistic combos other than A7 suited and there aren’t many of those either. AK should have raised preflop. So we are looking at being against a lot of 1 pair hands here at best. How much pressure can they take?

I like a $125 bet

 

[Changster]

Bet or check both fine.

 

[DrStrange]

I think this is a must bet situation vs anything but super sticky calling stations. Hero has tons of equity and some amount of fold equity. This is the sort of flop Hero dreams of. Let's try to steal a win if the draws whiff. Surely someone has a pair. Make them pay for the privilege of beating jack high.

Sizing should be larger rather than smaller. Pot sized or so would be fine, let's try $200. Hero should be prepared to barrel on "safe" turns and rivers. Happy to get it in on the flop. Not happy at all if raised on the turn.

 

[Moxie Mike]

I think this is a must bet situation vs anything but super sticky calling stations. Hero has tons of equity and some amount of fold equity. This is the sort of flop Hero dreams of. Let's try to steal a win if the draws whiff. Surely someone has a pair. Make them pay for the privilege of beating jack high.

Sizing should be larger rather than smaller. Pot sized or so would be fine, let's try $200. Hero should be prepared to barrel on "safe" turns and rivers. Happy to get it in on the flop. Not happy at all if raised on the turn.

+1 for a strong bet. Keep telling the story that you're strong. Jam if raised.

As to missing the turn and river... I think it depends on what the turn brings. If another ace hits the turn - I might slow down.

 

[Legend5555]

Bet. I think 1/2 pot or less. It's really difficult for anyone to have a strong hand or draw other than 77. This flop favors the hero's UTG raising range over the calling range of each other player. So I don't think we need to make a large bet here.

We could consider a check raise if any of our opponents like to stab. We have AA and KK in our range and the can't have that.

Hero is blocking anyone from have a realistic QdXd draw, unless it's Qd9d. Hero wasn't 3 bet, so we can pretty safely assume no one has AA, KK, or AK. It's possible someone has AQ, but that hand likely isn't going to raise on the flop if hero bets. Other than that, it's going to be some gutshots, worse connected diamond draws, and some AX hands.

Hero can't really fold to a raise, but a raise represents some real strength here. The hands most likely to raise are 77 and 7dxd. Unless we have some opponents that are going to raise naked diamonds. So I'm not sure if I'd jam over a raise if we bet and get raised. I think we get called to often.

 

[Payback]

PCF seems to agree that a bet is in order. However, bet sizing is all over the place so Hero picked a number in the middle at 2/3 pot.

Hero: $1,200
Villian: $4,200
Most other stacks are around 1k-1.5k.

Hero looks down at
Villian posts straddle on the button, SB calls, BB folds, Hero didn't come to fold 40% a royal and raises $45, uber calling station calls, Villian on button calls, SB calls.

Flop 4 handed ($185):
Check, Hero bets $125, uber caller finds one of the rare folds of the day, Villian calls, SB folds.

Turn HU ($435):
Hero ???

 

[Hornet]

I think the pot is $435, right?

Have to keep the story going. I probably bet as little as I can without inviting a raise ... maybe $250.

 

[Frogzilla]

250 sets up a decent river shove of 800ish into a pot of 900

Strap in, it’s time for the triple barrel

Or dealer can step up and bail us out

 

[Legend5555]

Hero didn't get raised, so currently seems like villain has a 1 pair type hand. I think we keep the pressure on and bet $230ish. This will leave is a pot sized shove on the river.

We can continue to represent the big sets, AK, and AQ. It's hard for our opponent to have more than top pair here because of our blockers. Any gutter or AX without spades can't really call a 2nd barrel. Tough the AsXs hands may not raise since even though they picked up the draw because they have showdown value with a pair. So unless villain is slowplaying 77, he can't have many really strong made hands.

 

[Payback]

I think the pot is $435, right?

Have to keep the story going. I probably bet as little as I can without inviting a raise ... maybe $250.

185+250 = 435. Correct. I should just be copying an pasting from my notes that are error free rather than just winging shit and making mistakes. Maybe it's more fun that way.....

 

[Payback]

250 sets up a decent river shove of 800ish into a pot of 900

Strap in, it’s time for the triple barrel

Or dealer can step up and bail us out

Happy Thoughts. Everyone now...

 

[Schmendr1ck]

The royal would be nice, but I'd rather see an offsuit Q so Hero has a better chance of actually getting paid.

 

[Payback]

The royal would be nice, but I'd rather see an offsuit Q so Hero has a better chance of actually getting paid.

 

[Frogzilla]

The royal would be nice, but I'd rather see an offsuit Q so Hero has a better chance of actually getting paid.

High hand bonus mentioned in OP

 

[DrStrange]

Hero has ~2% equity in the high hand bonus of $600. That is $12 and might come with a 1099 form. The pot is in excess of $400 at the moment with more wagers to come. I say ignore the high hand bonus and focus on winning the hand.

Still hoping for the royal, just not including it in my math -=- DrStrange

PS I am still barreling. Same 2/3rd pot bet now and strongly considering a river jam on most run outs. Will HATE getting jammed upon here.

 

[Rhodeman77]

I agree with everyone else, keep telling the story and keep up the pressure. Bet $275 and plan on jamming most rivers.

 

[Payback]

Hero: $1,200
Villian: $4,200
Most other stacks are around 1k-1.5k.

Hero looks down at
Villian posts straddle on the button, SB calls, BB folds, Hero didn't come to fold 40% a royal and raises $45, uber calling station calls, Villian on button calls, SB calls.

Flop 4 handed ($185):
Check, Hero bets $125, uber caller finds one of the rare folds of the day, Villian calls, SB folds.

Turn HU ($435):
Hero bets $225, Villian counts his stack and it sounds like he's quietly doing some math outloud, he cuts out the bet and places it back in his stack, counts it out again and after a minute calls.

River HU ($885):
Doh!
Effective stacks are $800.

Hero ???

 

[Hornet]

I don’t think villain tank-calls with a weak ace there. Or maybe he does. But I don’t think you can win if you check. So I go with the third barrel! Easy to do with your money.

 

[Payback]

I don’t think villain tank-calls with a weak ace there. Or maybe he does. But I don’t think you can win if you check. So I go with the third barrel! Easy to do with you’re money.

All in or are you betting less?

 

[Hornet]

All in or are you betting less?

Great question. I think a shove and a near pot size bet would have the same effect. I probably bet $650.

 

[Frogzilla]

That’s gotta be the worst river. Sticky king can call a river barrel fairly comfortably, same with ace bad kicker.

Bluffing with Jack high is probably the right play, but I don’t feel good about it and our hand has bad blockers.

Depending on my villain read, I usually give up and just check it over.