Conspiracy theories you think are true (3 Viewers)

[WedgeRock]

I haven't read anything on the subject but I also found it very odd that his dad ended up being murdered. Had to be something else to the story.

The same podcast has a wholly different episode on the murder of his father. I thought it wasn't conincidental to not be connected, but after listening to the podcast, I don't think his father was murdered over a gambling debt.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cadence13/what-really-happened/e/53410099

"In 1993, Daniel Green was charged with the murder of James Jordan. Now 25 years later Andrew Jenks attempts to better understand the trial and investigation, visits Daniel Green in prison, and provides his take on what really happened. "

 

[Jimulacrum]

Different damage? They were both impacted above the halfway point of the structure by airliners of similar size with similar fuel loads, that exploded on impact. What was so different?

• Each building was struck at a different height—one almost at the very top, the other about a third of the way from the top.
• The position of the plane relative to the rectangular face of the building was different in both cases.
• Each plane struck its respective building at a different angle—one nearly 45°, the other much closer to horizontal.

For them to both turn to dust in an almost identical fashion an hour or so later is more than a little unlikely, if the plane crashes and fires were the only catalysts.

 

[Lemonzest]

Oh yeah I thought of another one I believe in. The CIA was involved with trafficking drugs into the USA through the 80s/90s to fund a war in Central America. Interesting to note this was a time when the "war on drugs" was in full swing.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

• Each building was struck at a different height—one almost at the very top, the other about a third of the way from the top.
• The position of the plane relative to the rectangular face of the building was different in both cases.
• Each plane struck its respective building at a different angle—one nearly 45°, the other much closer to horizontal.

For them to both turn to dust in an almost identical fashion an hour or so later is more than a little unlikely, if the plane crashes and fires were the only catalysts.

Not arguing any of this but this part would have the least effect IMO as the actual impact probably didnt have as much effect as the expolsion

 

[Jimulacrum]

Not arguing any of this but this part would have the least effect IMO as the actual impact probably didnt have as much effect as the expolsion

This is true. The other two factors are much more relevant, especially when it comes to the idea of a "pancake collapse." The building hit closer to the top should have exerted much less force on its bottom portion as the top portion fell, so how could it end up collapsing just like the other one, at roughly the same speed? Doesn't make sense. (And this is without even considering the nature of the collapse itself, which doesn't hold water either.)

 

[Quicksilver-75]

The 9/11 conspiracy theories have always intrigued me. Largely because there really is a ton of answered questions that linger. Like who and how planned to have the entire east coast's military (army, Airforce and navy) ALL unavailable because they were doing a practice....against a multiple highjacking....
Or the WTC building that collapsed without even receiving any damage.
Or why the owner of the properties took out a massive insurance plan weeks before this went down.
Or how a plane crashed into the Pentagon but just seconds after the crash not a single photograph shows ANY debris that resembled a large jet.

I'm pretty sure the intelligence agencies knew of an attack. Hell, the British MI5 told the US they had reliable Intel around that date but no preparations were made? Or were they?

 

[Lemonzest]

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I am not picking on you but just replying since you commented. I know many people with this mindset who dismiss any talk of conspiracy theories etc.

The thing about it is some conspiracy theories are proved to be true over time. If I had said a few years go that I thought the US government was spying on people's email, phone calls, and texts it would have been viewed as far fetched. Following the leaked documents provided by Edward Snowden we now know that broad collection of the public's data was going on.

The funny thing is that even prior to Edward Snowden people would make jokes about the government spying on us in kind of a playful way. When that news broke it wasn't even shocking because people already knew what was going on by their own intuition. There wasn't really public outcry. The overall response from the public was "meh".

I guess all I am saying is that our intuition can often be correct and that today's hunch is tomorrows headline.

 

[navels]

If I had said a few years go that I thought the US government was spying on people's email, phone calls, and texts it would have been viewed as far fetched.

I guess I wouldn't have considered that a conspiracy theory

 

[Quicksilver-75]

The opioid crisis. Seemingly created on purpose by big pharma. Who pays doctors to prescribe the junk while the other hand offers governments the antidotes in products like naloxone and the like.
I find it odd that government's haven't called them out yet...

 

[Klobberer]

That our government and media are controlled by ultra-wealthy corporations who are playing the long-game to maintain their stranglehold on power by keeping the majority of our population undereducated and divided/distracted

And don't forget poor.

Gut education, keep minimum wage low, high rate credit easy to obtain...slavery is back. Too poor, too dumb and too crippled by debt to do anything that can change the system.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

J.K. Rowling doesn't actually exist...

 

[Jimulacrum]

The 9/11 conspiracy theories have always intrigued me. Largely because there really is a ton of answered questions that linger. Like who and how planned to have the entire east coast's military (army, Airforce and navy) ALL unavailable because they were doing a practice....against a multiple highjacking....
Or the WTC building that collapsed without even receiving any damage.
Or why the owner of the properties took out a massive insurance plan weeks before this went down.
Or how a plane crashed into the Pentagon but just seconds after the crash not a single photograph shows ANY debris that resembled a large jet.

I'm pretty sure the intelligence agencies knew of an attack. Hell, the British MI5 told the US they had reliable Intel around that date but no preparations were made? Or were they?

Yep. The list of anomalies and as-yet unexplained actions is quite long. Personally, I find the destruction of the WTC buildings to be the most obvious clue, but the Pentagon scene had its issues, and the supposed crash site of flight 93 didn't look much like a commercial jet had crashed there either. And if you start digging, even the hijackings themselves seem less than plausible.

What really drives the point home is that all of this happened on the same day, and all related to the same event. Every scene that had anything to do with the attacks has some weird, anomalous issue that no one can adequately explain. It reeks of deception overall.

And then there's this:

You guys play poker. If you're any good, you catch people lying and trying to hide things all the time.

Watch this clip a few times. Are you watching someone who is relaxed and value-betting a big hand, or someone who's bluffing and terrified of getting caught?

 

[colter ripton]

I know there are squatches in them there woods.

 

[Lemonzest]

The opioid crisis. Seemingly created on purpose by big pharma. Who pays doctors to prescribe the junk while the other hand offers governments the antidotes in products like naloxone and the like.
I find it odd that government's haven't called them out yet...

Oh yeah I def believe this. This is that kind of grey area where things get interesting...it isn't even really a conspiracy theory as much as it is just being realistic about how the world works.

The fact that highly addictive opioids are being prescribed as painkillers but marijuana is illegal (in many states) is hilarious in a very dark way. My wife uses marijuana products to manage her arthritis pain and it just works with almost no side effects.

There are some really sad stories of people being prescribed painkillers from their doctor for an accident only to find out when their prescription runs out their craving for the drug hasn't. Otherwise normal people end up turning to heroin and other street drugs to feed their addiction which they never planned on having.

 

[chkmte]

I never knew all the mystery surrounding Michael Jordan. I just read this article that pretty much details the murder of his father. Crazy stuff.

 

[WedgeRock]

And then there's this:

You guys play poker. If you're any good, you catch people lying and trying to hide things all the time.

Watch this clip a few times. Are you watching someone who is relaxed and value-betting a big hand, or someone who's bluffing and terrified of getting caught?

I know the point you're making, and I'm not disagreeing, but a clip of Bush stammering is hardly evidence of anything...

 

[Milo013]

• Each building was struck at a different height—one almost at the very top, the other about a third of the way from the top.
• The position of the plane relative to the rectangular face of the building was different in both cases.
• Each plane struck its respective building at a different angle—one nearly 45°, the other much closer to horizontal.

For them to both turn to dust in an almost identical fashion an hour or so later is more than a little unlikely, if the plane crashes and fires were the only catalysts.

Except that the fuel fires that result would cover multiple floors below the impact point. I forget which tower was struck lower but, when you watch it drop, a sizeable portion remains intact until it's enveloped by the cloud of smoke from the collapse. With the other tower, that was not the case.

 

[Milo013]

I don't plan to debate this . . . anyone who thinks that the US government was involved, in my opinion, overestimates the ability of any government body to keep secrets. Someone would have squealed, and there would be too many people to silence, otherwise.

 

[Tommy]

This thread seems like it belongs in the Politics section. If it goes away, that's where it will be.

 

[FDLmold]

 

[Coyote]

 

[ParrotheadMZ]

I hope this thread don’t turn into a oop: storm

I’ve read a few things I absolutely don’t believe, and a few things I’m on the fence about, but still very skeptical. That said I could care less to bash someone for their beliefs, but I’m sure someone eventually wilI. I do enjoy reading what others believe to be true.

I know there are squatches in them there woods.

I did however see one of these last year on the way down to Florida.
I was traveling 65 south, just north of Montgomery Alabama when I seen just off the expressway a Bigfoot. It looked to be in stride but wasn’t moving.
Everyone in the car was sleeping so I was the only one to see it.
My guess is someone put it there as a joke to mess with people.
I do not believe I seen a real Bigfoot.
I don’t believe it was a hunter either.
Has anyone else ever seen it in that location.

 

[Lemonzest]

I’ve read a few things I absolutely don’t believe, and a few things I’m on the fence about, but still very skeptical. That said I could care less to bash someone for their beliefs, but I’m sure someone eventually wilI. I do enjoy reading what others believe to be true.

Maybe I was naive to think we could all share different beliefs and get along

What things don't you believe?

I wanted to promote some conversation about topics that I find interesting. Of course only looking for civil discourse.

Personally, I don't believe in any form of bigfoot or Loch-ness monsters. I also don't believe in UFOs from space. I think any flying object we have seen are just man made.

 

[gkitt80]

The Twin Towers weren't turned to dust by the plane crashes, the subsequent fires, a "pancake collapse," or any other officially promulgated stories.

The true cause is hard to nail down, and I won't give credence to any half-baked theories, but none of those things come close to accounting for how the buildings came apart. There is also no reasonable explanation for why they were both destroyed in nearly identical ways despite having sustained such different damage.

And of course, watching WTC7 come down is like watching an old casino get imploded. Scattered fires and random damage inflicted by falling debris can't make that happen. And it was the third such anomalous destruction on the same day.

If these things are not only physically plausible, but can be made to happen so haphazardly three times in one day, how is there such a thing as the demolition industry? Gotta say, that would be a truly ridiculous conspiracy—the entire demolition industry bullshitting everyone for decades, including generations of physicists and engineers, about the need to use explosives to carefully dismantle a building's internal structure.

I'm sure I could scratch up a few more conspiracy theories that I find have some merit, but this was the biggest one of my generation, and IMO the craziest and the hardest to have a civil disagreement about.

Basic research using google will find scientific responses to all of these conspiracy theories, which are hogwash and in my opinion offensive.

 

[gopherblue]

 

[JustinInMN]

I think OJ might have been guilty.

 

[longflop]

I think OJ might have been guilty.

You just crossed the line!

 

[Lemonzest]

You just crossed the line!

 

[sem0030]

Oh yeah I def believe this. This is that kind of grey area where things get interesting...it isn't even really a conspiracy theory as much as it is just being realistic about how the world works.

The fact that highly addictive opioids are being prescribed as painkillers but marijuana is illegal (in many states) is hilarious in a very dark way. My wife uses marijuana products to manage her arthritis pain and it just works with almost no side effects.

There are some really sad stories of people being prescribed painkillers from their doctor for an accident only to find out when their prescription runs out their craving for the drug hasn't. Otherwise normal people end up turning to heroin and other street drugs to feed their addiction which they never planned on having.

Remember though: Weed is the gateway drug

 

[Anthony Martino]

Women want sex just as much or more than we do, they're just better at making it seem the other way around to use it as a weapon against us!