Automatic card shuffler (1 Viewer)
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sleepypiggly
Straight
Nice, get that Shufflemaster and then charge rent for its usage at your high stakes game like Tobey Maguire.
http://observer.com/2014/05/exclusive-new-molly-bloom-book-pulverizes-tobey-maguire/
Mr. Cheese
Full House
kind of makes me want to rip one out of the table at my local casino. Every table has one... I never realized they were so expensive!
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
manamongkids
Full House
teach those who cannot shuffle to shuffle, muchhhhhhh cheaper
derekdd23
Flush
I have seen far too many issues at casinos with these things to ever buy one without some sort of service agreement. Even then I would still be wary.
Mr Tree
Straight Flush
Don't do it! Just...don't....do it.
RowdyRawhide
Full House
^^^^^^sat at the Pai Gow table a couple of weeks ago at my local casino for about 3 hrs and and I bet they had to dick around with it about a dozen times in that period
Mr. Cheese
Full House
I've actually had pretty good luck with these at the casino. I've played maybe 40-50 hours at Canterbury and I can only recall maybe 4-5 jams that entire time at my table. .
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I'm not sure if 1 jam every 10 hours is acceptable for a $7000+ piece of equipment.
I think these are shuffletech ones. The casino ones are much better from what I've heard. My local casino uses the ones that's on eBay and I've never seen a jam or problem arise.
sleepypiggly
Straight
The reason why the equipment is expensive is because it’s a true “randomizer.” All 52 cards are separated individually inside, and a randomizer rearranges them, card by card. This is supposed to eliminate problems with a dealer’s shuffle techniques.
The Shufflemaster machines are supposed to be pretty reliable. You see it at feature tables at the WSOP.
The Shufflemaster machines are supposed to be pretty reliable. You see it at feature tables at the WSOP.
The ShufflePro units are pretty solid if you can find them (like the one on eBay). They almost never fail and when they do, they fail "clean". The shuffled cards show up on one side and the non-shuffled cards pop up on the original side.
I almost pulled the trigger on a ShuffleTech unit, but after dozens and dozens of negative feedback left all over the place, I decided to stay away from that.
The Shuffle King 2 is a nice looking alternate to the Deckmaster units, but it's 7680 EUR shipped.
If you're considering for true randomness, check this out: http://statweb.stanford.edu/~susan/papers/casino.pdf
"5.3. Conclusions and recommendations. The study above shows that a single iteration of a 10-shelf shuffler is not sufficiently random. The president of the company responded “We are not pleased with your conclusions, but we believe them and that’s what we hired you for.” We suggested a simple alternative: use the machine twice. This results in a shuffle equivalent to a 200-shelf machine. Our mathematical analysis and further tests, not reported here, show that this is adequately random. Indeed, Table 1 shows, for total variation, this is equivalent to 8-to-9 ordinary riffle shuffles."
I almost pulled the trigger on a ShuffleTech unit, but after dozens and dozens of negative feedback left all over the place, I decided to stay away from that.
The Shuffle King 2 is a nice looking alternate to the Deckmaster units, but it's 7680 EUR shipped.
If you're considering for true randomness, check this out: http://statweb.stanford.edu/~susan/papers/casino.pdf
"5.3. Conclusions and recommendations. The study above shows that a single iteration of a 10-shelf shuffler is not sufficiently random. The president of the company responded “We are not pleased with your conclusions, but we believe them and that’s what we hired you for.” We suggested a simple alternative: use the machine twice. This results in a shuffle equivalent to a 200-shelf machine. Our mathematical analysis and further tests, not reported here, show that this is adequately random. Indeed, Table 1 shows, for total variation, this is equivalent to 8-to-9 ordinary riffle shuffles."
Deckmate 1s Referbs - https://www.casinosalvageyard.com/deckmate-1.html
ShuffleKing 2 - New - http://www.casinoshuffler.com/
ShuffleKing 2 - New - http://www.casinoshuffler.com/
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Wow!! I had no idea these were this expensive....seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Dale_Doback
Pair
[QUOTEI almost pulled the trigger on a ShuffleTech unit, but after dozens and dozens of negative feedback left all over the place, I decided to stay away from that.[/QUOTE]
Same here! Waaay to negative reviews about the product and their customer service.
Same here! Waaay to negative reviews about the product and their customer service.
pokerpig
Flush
shuffletech
SixSpeedFury
Full House
Mr Tree
Straight Flush
My problems actually were less about the shuffled function and just about situation.
We put mine in the table but it got in the way. Cards hit it when dealing, fall in the door, etc.
Also I don't have a dedicated dealer. Since the shuffler is in one spot either one psrsom has to do it for everyone all night or (as was more often the case) it doesn't get used.
I purchased a refurbished Shuffletech shuffler (got it for 50% off from the manufacturer) that I successfully used for just over a year. It eventually started jamming on an ongoing basis. I just sent it in for repair and we'll see how that goes.
While it was working it did seem to successfully speed up my home game. I also have some players who no matter how much harassment do a fairly crummy job shuffling. In order to address concerns with randomness we gave the cards a quick riffle before putting them in the machine. One warning, it is noisy as hell. I tried a few things to reduce the noise but eventually just lived with it.
That said, changing the self dealt order from having the person who just dealt shuffle to having the big blind deal shuffle also seemed to make a big impact (no passing the cards forward).
I'll let you know how the machine does when I get it back.
While it was working it did seem to successfully speed up my home game. I also have some players who no matter how much harassment do a fairly crummy job shuffling. In order to address concerns with randomness we gave the cards a quick riffle before putting them in the machine. One warning, it is noisy as hell. I tried a few things to reduce the noise but eventually just lived with it.
That said, changing the self dealt order from having the person who just dealt shuffle to having the big blind deal shuffle also seemed to make a big impact (no passing the cards forward).
I'll let you know how the machine does when I get it back.
gambol
Sitting Out
Piece of advise: Ask the eBay or other seller for the unit serial number. It's on a label right above the power cord. On eBay the most common answers are "I don't see one" (ie, the label has been removed) or if you ask the nevada-based eBay seller "what difference does it make if it doesn't have a serial number?"
Deckmate shufflers were rarely sold, usually leased. The problem with buying once without the external serial number (there are several internal ones) is that you _are more than likely_ getting a stolen one. Why bother removing a serial number if it isn't stolen?
alpine0000
Pair
I just ordered a table and deckmate 1 shuffler from the eBay seller linked at the top of the page. Can't wait to get it into play!
A buddy has the $500 shuffle tech shuffler and IMO it's garbage. After PMing with another member on here about it the other day who also has one, he shared the same opinion. So for me, it was either go big with a DeckMate or don't bother with a shuffler at all. We have a dedicated dealer and play super-long sessions, so a shuffler is a good addition in my game.
A buddy has the $500 shuffle tech shuffler and IMO it's garbage. After PMing with another member on here about it the other day who also has one, he shared the same opinion. So for me, it was either go big with a DeckMate or don't bother with a shuffler at all. We have a dedicated dealer and play super-long sessions, so a shuffler is a good addition in my game.
gambol
Sitting Out
Let us know if it comes with a serial number, it is above the power cord on a large sticker.
Mathieu
Two Pair
Ya same here. Have a shuffle tech. I used it a few times but now it collects dust. Works very well no issues only jammed 1 but sorted itself out within 10 seconds. We use the 2 deck system also so there is no real time saving with the shuffler.
gambol
Sitting Out
And there is a one on eBay just listed, except the seller didn't bother to hide the fact that he removed the serial number. Would you buy it?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/282772912666?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/282772912666?
alpine0000
Pair
Idk what that sellers reputation is, but as far as no serial number, does it matter all that much? It’s not like you’ll ever be sending it back to Bally/ShuffleMaster for servicing. You’d likely get a third party to service it, like Rye Park, at which point it doesn’t matter.
Serial number is scratched out. But shuffler is in new condition and works flawless.
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