PAHWM 40 nlhe with a chatty player (1 Viewer)

[grebe]

Ok, so this guy was telling me he was angry he didn't fold his set on the turn when the 3rd heart came down (I had 64hh). River was another heart and it checked down. He was telling me he folds big hands all the time.

This is the very next hand:

Blinds .1/.2 hero is sb and playing pretty aggressive as most of the table is not (multi table nits and limpers). Effective stacks $40.

Folds to button who makes a small raise, I call.

 

[grebe]

Flop comes two hearts, no pair for hero. He bets small, I call with devious intentions.

 

[Eriks]

I think there’s a case to be made for all three options pre.

Fold - seems really tight, but A9o isn’t super playable. I guess it’s the worst option though since A2-A8 should be opens on the btn, but against the ”right” player I might.

Call - keeps the pot small oop and we could go into check/call down mode on A-high/9xx boards.

3-bet - might win it right there and if not lets us takes control of the pot and we can comfortably bet boards like the one we got. It does bloat the pot oop with a mediocre hand though.

Flop:

I understand the float with backdoors and an A-high that very well could be good. Being oop, I think I prefer a check/raise though. If called, we can barrel the turn on a heart, 7 or 8. Plus an ace or even a 9 might make us the best hand.

Let’s say we just flat and the turn comes a good card for us to realize our devious plans, are we gonna make a weird donk lead or stay in flow and check with the intention of check/raising? He could just check back and then make an easy decision on the river in position in a rather small pot.

 

[grebe]

Well, nobody seems to give a shit, but the hand must go on...

The turn comes Qh putting the flush out there. Time to spring the trap, I lead out with a 2/3 pot bet (it's a pre loaded button in bros).

V check raises me to $5! Didn't expect that. Does he have KQ? Maybe a set?

Well we are drawing to the nuts, and raising seems unwise. We call the 5 and pray for another heart...

 

[Kentucky]

He can have all the sets and KQ. I’d also play suited connectors from the button this way too. You’re not getting direct odds to call, but maybe can justify with implied odds on the river.

 

[JustinInMN]

It's hard for me to give villain credit for a flush with and all accounted for. Did Villain really open on the button? That said if villain has anything of value, we have at best 9 clean outs to the nuts if we discount two-heart hands in villain's range. So I think you can call. I don't think I would count on an ace being good if that hits the river.

 

[Coyotesetter]

Well, nobody seems to give a shit, but the hand must go on...

The turn comes Qh putting the flush out there. Time to spring the trap, I lead out with a 2/3 pot bet (it's a pre loaded button in bros).

V check raises me to $5! Didn't expect that. Does he have KQ? Maybe a set?

Well we are drawing to the nuts, and raising seems unwise. We call the 5 and pray for another heart...




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I give a shit @grebe! Don't you ever think I don't.

 

[Coyotesetter]

Dammit! RIVER PLEEEEEEEEEEEZE!

 

[Coyotesetter]

I am dying. Limited time on earth. River?

 

[Eriks]

I’m not a fan of the turn lead. Mostly because I think it’s hard to play a balanced range that way, but maybe you can/it doesn’t matter because players aren’t observant.

As played, I call. It’s not a very big raise and we have at least 9 outs. I would donk if we bink a heart. ”Hey look now he likes a lead all of a sudden”. Yeah, it’s not at all unlikely I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about itt

 

[kirchhausen]

Just catching up.
I'm fine with either a fold or call pre-flop.
ok with the float on the flop.
Thoughts about villain though, is he REALLY able to lay down big hands? Maybe he is just saying he is. I've observed people talking one way and behaving another way at the table all of the time.
IF you do think he is bluffable, I would take the check raise line on the turn. Looks super strong, and tells the bluff story better than leading out into V.
AS played, you can re-raise V. A-high flush is never just calling in this spot. or, you can give up. if you really believe that V can lay down big hands, then raise it to $14. puts the pot at about $30 with effective $26 behind. Perfect size for shoving river.

 

[kirchhausen]

I’m not a fan of the turn lead. Mostly because I think it’s hard to play a balanced range that way, but maybe you can/it doesn’t matter because players aren’t observant.

As played, I call. It’s not a very big raise and we have at least 9 outs. I would donk if we bink a heart. ”Hey look now he likes a lead all of a sudden”. Yeah, it’s not at all unlikely I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about itt

I don't like a call here. Makes our hand extremely face up. If a heart comes, we are almost certainly not getting paid off.

 

[Eriks]

I don't like a call here. Makes our hand extremely face up. If a heart comes, we are almost certainly not getting paid off.

Yeah, you’re probably right. Although I wouldn’t get to the turn that way. I prefer to make the flop check/raise

 

[grebe]

It's hard for me to give villain credit for a flush with and all accounted for. Did Villain really open on the button? That said if villain has anything of value, we have at best 9 clean outs to the nuts if we discount two-heart hands in villain's range. So I think you can call. I don't think I would count on an ace being good if that hits the river.

I would. I don't think he would.

 

[grebe]

Ok river is brick city.

Give up?

Bluff?

 

[grebe]

It's hard for me to give villain credit for a flush with and all accounted for. Did Villain really open on the button? That said if villain has anything of value, we have at best 9 clean outs to the nuts if we discount two-heart hands in villain's range. So I think you can call. I don't think I would count on an ace being good if that hits the river.

Hang on, what would you do with JTs on the button if it folded around to you?

This is important because every piece of advice from now on is weighted on your answer...

 

[trever]

Can't bluff anymore, that door closed when you didn't reraise the turn.

 

[JustinInMN]

Hang on, what would you do with JTs on the button if it folded around to you?

This is important because every piece of advice from now on is weighted on your answer...

It depends. Rethinking this, I think against "average opponents" this might be the one suited hand without an A, K, or Q that I could raise. J9 probably not unless the blinds are exceptionally passive. I can see the case for folding this on the button as well if the blinds are aggressive. But again, rethinking this, maybe the button is more aggressive and can have a few more suited combos. My broader point should have been the vast majority of possible flushes are taken away with the removal of these 3 cards.

Can't bluff anymore, that door closed when you didn't reraise the turn.

Agreed, and villain just plain has so much value here, even if flushes are scarce.

 

[DrStrange]

This sort of hand is a fold preflop for me. Bad position, ratty ace. Why is hero wanting to play these two cards? Is it to protect hero's small blind?

For sure, A9o is better than many hands the button might be trying to steal the blinds with. But realizing the equity from "ace high" at showdown is really tough when out of position. Hero needs a sizable skill edge to engage in this sort of encounter.

I hate bad position. I don't like ambiguous hands where I can't readily tell where my hand stands vs the villain(s) cards. Here - take my dime and lets move on to the next hand.

I don't see this as a profitable opportunity playing 100bb deep -=- DrStrange

 

[Zajac]

Hang on, what would you do with JTs on the button if it folded around to you?

This is important because every piece of advice from now on is weighted on your answer...

I’m no pro…but I raise 11 out of 10 times with J10s when folded to me on the button

 

[Coyotesetter]

JAMMMMMMMMMMM!

 

[grebe]

For sure, A9o is better than many hands the button might be trying to steal the blinds

I don't need another reason. Just this one.

 

[grebe]

Tbh, I didn't know what I was going to do here... Because this is such an easy fold... He has too much value and I have nothing but a blocker. But I can't get it out of my head that he's mad he didn't fold that set... And I just don't fold sets, hardly ever. He was bragging about it.

So I check, he bets, and has a little over pot left, and I think... "Man, a check raise would look strong here". So I do.

Disclaimer: I can be pretty laggy, but this is over the top. Not recommended.

He tanks for all his time. Last update will be what he did, and what his hand was (we do have his hand). Feel free to guess call/fold, and his actual hand.

 

[Eriks]

T9 of hearts that folded somehow, is my guess

 

[kirchhausen]

Probably KQ, something like that. Doubt he folded a worse flush. Assuming he folded.

 

[Marius L]

I think I fold the flop to his bet. OOP with nothing and no real draws I'd rather let it go. I also fold preflop often.

Not a great hand playing OOP as the good doctor said above.

 

[grebe]

I think I fold the flop to his bet. OOP with nothing and no real draws I'd rather let it go. I also fold preflop often.

Not a great hand playing OOP as the good doctor said above.

A9 is my least favorite Ace hand, because I feel obligated to play it, but don't like it. But to be honest, in this exact situation with a button raise and a tight player, I'm surprised I didn't 3 bet it.

No way I'm folding to a small bet from the button. That's just too tight.

 

[grebe]

Villain ends up folding.

He showed for the second nuts.

 

[Eriks]

Villain ends up folding.

He showed for the second nuts.

Jesus what a nit! (and that’s coming from a nit).

Feel like I won the guessing game

T9 of hearts that folded somehow, is my guess

 

[JustinInMN]

Villain ends up folding.

He showed for the second nuts.

did you show?