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Not Mine A test of value, 395 paulsons (1 Viewer)

The appearance or reality whichever you choose, of rarity.

And some now collecting chips are from the generation that spends hundreds on a single Magic or Yugioh card.

So there's a slight change in the pricing structure because of those two things, and a third, the opportunist.....
 
I've been in it for about 12 years now and have never seen so many of us paying stupid high prices for these things.
it's a function of people with a lot of expendable cash entering the chip hobby in the last couple of years.

You're absolutely right about that. Price of chips actually sold have gone way up. And I've only been in it for about 3 years.

My prior comment was more about how I log into eBay and see the same auctions posted for sky-high prices that will likely never sell at that price. I'm tired of seeing those types of overpriced chips, sometimes reposted over and over for more than a year.

Two reasons I think prices are going up recently: 1) There haven't been too many Chip Room sales lately of Paulson chips from recently-closed casinos (not for a lack of trying, probably). The pool of money that would otherwise have been spent on Chip Room sales may be being spent elsewhere. 2) Paulson no longer making chips for the home market, makes them more of a collectors item - demand and price is going up for the (now) finite number of these chips in the universe.
 
You're absolutely right about that. Price of chips actually sold have gone way up. And I've only been in it for about 3 years.

My prior comment was more about how I log into eBay and see the same auctions posted for sky-high prices that will likely never sell at that price. I'm tired of seeing those types of overpriced chips, sometimes reposted over and over for more than a year.

Two reasons I think prices are going up recently: 1) There haven't been too many Chip Room sales lately of Paulson chips from recently-closed casinos (not for a lack of trying, probably). The pool of money that would otherwise have been spent on Chip Room sales may be being spent elsewhere. 2) Paulson no longer making chips for the home market, makes them more of a collectors item - demand and price is going up for the (now) finite number of these chips in the universe.
could also be semi related to the fact that novice collectors who want paulson-like chips only know about paulson, if they were brought into the loop about CPC...those prices might have skyrocketed drastically instead

all of this just leads our community to put CPC orders in more regularly IMO
 
With a limited supply, prices are going to go up. Chippers get out of the game and take some of their collections with them, reducing supply. New chippers enter the hobby, increasing the demand for that smaller supply.

We need the Chip Room!!
Thank goodness for CPC!!
 
Not really IMO - it's a function of people with a lot of expendable cash entering the chip hobby in the last couple of years. I've been in it for about 12 years now and have never seen so many of us paying stupid high prices for these things. Then those who have bought over the years couldn't resist selling to make 400 to 1000% profit by selling to the new crowd and the newer people being willing to pay it. Now the cash flushed seller goes and overpays for a set they really want. And the inflation machine keeps on chugging.

That's a good point, more money entering the hobby prices me out :(
 
What is interesting is that the price of individual chips has been dropping for years. If you go over to the chipboard, you find people talking about putting up 200 individual listings for single chips on eBay at the price they paid a decade ago, and nada. Another guy, having had the same experience, offered to sell to "those people on the board who took advantage of me years ago by selling me chips at inflated prices".
 
Two reasons I think prices are going up recently: 1) There haven't been too many Chip Room sales lately of Paulson chips from recently-closed casinos (not for a lack of trying, probably). The pool of money that would otherwise have been spent on Chip Room sales may be being spent elsewhere. 2) Paulson no longer making chips for the home market, makes them more of a collectors item - demand and price is going up for the (now) finite number of these chips in the universe.
Don't forget that TR King and BCC went out of business, too, and that a nice custom CPC set is much more expensive than what you paid five or ten years ago for an ASM set. With that little supply it's no wonder that prices are skyrocketing.
 
Update. It has been a week on a 30 day auction. The seller has dropped his price three times - by $50 each round so we are at $600 for the chips ($1.52 per chip). Proving to be a fine test!

DrStrange
 
They are worth what people will pay, and I think it's well beyond $1. Who's setting the line?
As a mixed set, this one is really not too nice. Different molds, inlay sizes and conditions (between mint and totally worn) .... naahhh. In my book, the $5's are well below $1/chip, the $25's
slightly below $1/chip, and the $1's at or slightly above $1/chip. I can't see even the most desperate noob and Paulson lover paying considerably more than an average $1/chip for these.
 
I really like this auction, not necessarily the contents or starting price, but the data we are getting. I am looking forward to seeing how the market sets the price or if the seller reaches a point where they will not sell.
 
This lot is worth less than $395 IMO. Most chips included are selling at $100/rack, but some have recently sold at around $80/rack.

As I understand, this specific lot sold (for $550) but was sent back to the seller due to condition of chips. I believe I read that here at PCF.

Tim

Edit: see post 5
 
I'd say 90c - $1 each, esp for someone wanting to supplement a Par-a-dice set.
 
over a buck per chip easy...not everyone belongs to PCF

No, Im referring to eBay sales history. A rack of Even Stevens currently sells for $100, a rack of Par-a-dice $25 currently sells for $90-$100. Selling the two racks together doesn't make them worth $300, right?
 
No, Im referring to eBay sales history. A rack of Even Stevens currently sells for $100, a rack of Par-a-dice $25 currently sells for $90-$100. Selling the two racks together doesn't make them worth $300, right?

on eBay it is a crap shoot...we will see what happens...it is a great source for comparable sold products.

from my understanding parts of, if not most of the single collectible chip buying guides used eBay sales as one of the better reliable indicators of value...
 
FWIW, here's my pricing formula for generating PCF sales.

- single chip = 100% of current eBay pricing
- barrel = 90% of current eBay pricing
- rack = 80% of current eBay pricing

I have had early success using this approach. The secret is in making good buys. I would love to see others on PCF adopt this pricing structure, but that's their business not mine.

Tim
 
This lot is worth less than $395 IMO. Most chips included are selling at $100/rack, but some have recently sold at around $80/rack.

As I understand, this specific lot sold (for $550) but was sent back to the seller due to condition of chips. I believe I read that here at PCF.

Tim

Edit: see post 5

Yes, true story. I'm the one who bought them and sent them back. The seller initially posted only one blurry photo from about 10 feet away in the listing when I bought them. I complained and told him to put up some real pics next time. Which he did. But then he upped the price to $750. But he has since dropped it to $500.

These may sell at $500, but it'd be on the high end of prices for these chips. Most of these chips are still selling for less than $1 per chip on eBay. Two racks of those Empress $5s recently went on auction for around $80 each rack.

If you do want to buy these chips, a little insider information might help... the seller told me he really needed the money because he just bought a new car and used the chip sales for his downpayment. He might accept an offer via PM.
 
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Again we reach the crossroads as to why it's ok for some to profit and be lauded for their actions(see recent auctions of Wynn, SDPM, GCR spotted tourney chips) and others to be ridiculed for testing the price point they wish they could get because they see new money that has just come into the hobby in the last year pushing prices sky high and they think a chip is a chip. In my opinion it's all our own fault.

I am not going to buy those chips either, but can't blame someone for asking what they want for them.

Ever heard the phrase 'Caveat Emptor'???

While I've mostly just been a buyer here thus far, I have resold a few chips that I changed my mind on. Some I've lost money on, others I've made money on, but none have I skinned anyone on. The way I see it, I'd sell anything I don't want to keep for full market prices unless I'm dealing with a friend or a member here that I at least somewhat know (of which there are several). However, I'm not looking to "flip" chips.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with buying something and selling it for a profit, but let's call a spade a spade. As you've pointed out, the recent Wynn chip auctions here are a prime example (and the SDPM chips). A few months back, a few racks of these popped up on eBay and went for pretty cheap. I remember debating with a few members about whether or not they were Paulson or BCC or what, and if we were going to buy them. Then, fast forward a couple of months to today, and there are magically thousands of these chips hitting our forums by several different members. All the members I've seen who showed up with these are long time members that are well connected to the community. Surely, someone "in the know" found these and decided they were too good of a deal to post them here as some sort of chip room style offering and kept them under wraps until they were all bought and accounted for. Then, they start selling here for HUGE money (see the recent raffle where a set of 260 went here for $2000). And several other sets selling for big money as well. Again, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with this from my viewpoint. The market is what the market is, and I think it's fair to sell things at market pricing. But let's just not pretend that this is a forum where we are all obligated to "hook each other up" so-to-speak. I don't know how much all you Wynn chippers paid for these, but I'd bet my right nut it was less than $2 per chip, and it was probably much less than that.

I won't mention any names, but this reminds me of another set of very commonly sold chips for which the $1s are considered to be elusive and sell at a premium. However, someone has photos of having huge plastic totes of these $1s. There must be 10k+ of those "rare" chips in those totes.

Some people here are hobbyists and just like to collect. Some are just poker players who want something to play with. Others are hobbyists who have turned their chipping into a business. We all share the same arena here.

If I buy a rack from someone for say $200, I'm probably buying it for a set that I'm trying/hoping to put together. If later I decide that I don't want them, I'll be selling them at whatever the market price is (unless they're a rare set and the person I got them from wants them back - in which case, they get the "friend" pricing).

But if I find some crazy deal on eBay because someone listed 493 Protege chips for $76 (see link), or I happen to get an awesome deal from an old chipper who has been out of the loop for 5 years and has no idea what today's prices are, then I'm under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to offer those chips back up to the community at the prices I paid for them.
 
Well this is exciting... These sold for $135 and $43 as singles on eBay...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5000-Paulso...189502?hash=item43ee8f7b7e:g:xi4AAOSwr0ZXOTRT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-Paulson...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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